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PostSubject: Chiefs and Falcons!   Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:11 am

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by Bill Williamson
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"Kansas City coach Romeo Crennel told reporters Saturday linebacker Derrick Johnson (ankle) should be ready to play and he is hopeful cornerback Brandon Flowers (foot) can possibly play in Week 1 against Atlanta. However, safety Kendrick Lewis (shoulder) is likely not going to be able to play."

"If the Chiefs are looking for a temporary pass-rushing burst with Tamba Hali out for Week 1 with an NFL suspension, they could turn to former Chief Wallace Gilberry. He was cut by Tampa Bay."

Thats good news to hear about Flowers and DJ. I don't get what the hell is wrong with Flowers foot.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:15 am

Shouldnt be long before Baldwin starts bitching like he did in college.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:16 am

Its a shitty situation. Daboll is trying to be a good OC and play to Cassel's strengths, short passing game really isn't Baldwins strength. Baldwin fit the style of offense Haley wants to play, which Cassel isn't suited for. We just need a different QB, and soon if we want to see the max potential of this offense.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:20 am

Shitty situation? is that a nice way of saying Cassel is actually a major fuck up by Pioli? I've heard Cassel sucks but I want someone on the Pioli bandwagon to actually say Cassel was a major fuck up by Pioli. Can anyone admit it?
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:22 am

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Shitty situation? is that a nice way of saying Cassel is actually a major fuck up by Pioli? I've heard Cassel sucks but I want someone on the Pioli bandwagon to actually say Cassel was a major fuck up by Pioli. Can anyone admit it?

Weve been against Cassel since his ass was traded here. Everybody knows he's trash. Do you not read anything we post on here cause it really doesnt seem like it.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:24 am

I was against it from the beginning. I don't fault the guy for trading for a QB that had a pretty good year the only year he played, and expecting him to get better. It just never happened. Our other option that year was draft Mark Sanchez, not much if any better.

But yes, Cassel was the biggest mistake... pretty commonly known.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:27 am

finally someone admitted Pioli isnt perfect. noticed Bowe couldnt say it. he said Cassel is trash but not that cassel is Piolis fault. Its okay Bowe Pioli isnt in the bible for real
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:33 am

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finally someone admitted Pioli isnt perfect. noticed Bowe couldnt say it. he said Cassel is trash but not that cassel is Piolis fault. Its okay Bowe Pioli isnt in the bible for real

I figured you would get that "Pioli fucked up" out of the many times ive bashed Cassel and said I wish we had someone else. I really dont think you read any posts. You hate Pioli because he hasnt assembled the "all-madden" roster your dreaming of. Once we get a new QB, things are going to change in a big way. I, and others, have been saying this for years.

In the meantime, quit spewing bullshit.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:41 am

Pioli has his QB of the future. Cassel leaves after this year and Quinn gets 60 mil
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:45 am

Best thing KC could do for the future is do what they should have done last year. losing 13 is better than winning 7
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:08 pm

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My bad rust it wasnt you that said our WRs are better. you just said they arent far behind. it was rat and bowe that said ours are better. but the truth is it isnt close. both our guys would be competing against Douglas on that team. Bowe would beat him out.

You didn't read what I wrote! I said they were comparable but I would take ours for their advantage in run blocking.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:12 pm

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exaggerating? Saying Baldwin and Bowe are better than White and Julio and I like to exaggerate? yeah right

The potential is there. We'll probably never see how good they can really be with a Cassels ass playing QB for us.

As much as I despise cassel Baldwin not being targeted once cant all be on cassel. play calling is part of that. so if Baldwin is a stud (or potential stud) and Daboll isnt gameplanning to target Baldwin something is wrong with him

I read this morning that they are still working on a role for him. The article said that he is making bone head mistakes and running the wrong routes from time to time. He has a shit load of athletic ability! They have to get him involved.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:19 pm

Isnt he basically the same type WR as Bowe? If so it shouldnt be hard for them to figure it out. Its another Bowe on the other side of the field. I still wonder if its the same attitude he had in college and KC is just keeping it quiet. Obviously I dont know that I just wonder. If he has that much talent it has to be upstairs IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:27 pm

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Shitty situation? is that a nice way of saying Cassel is actually a major fuck up by Pioli? I've heard Cassel sucks but I want someone on the Pioli bandwagon to actually say Cassel was a major fuck up by Pioli. Can anyone admit it?

I don't really fault him for trying to take a QB with a 2nd round pick that already has NFL experience. If he had passed up a great prospect to trade for Cassell then i would call it a major fuck up! Shannahan traded a 2nd round pick for McNabb and it didn't work out. Is Shannahan a terrible ass coach or evaluator? Sometimes there are circumstances that happen where it just doesn't work out. We could have took Sanchez and then people would be talking about the curse of Todd Blackledge. I didn't care for Sanchez in the draft b/c he had shit for experience. I know Cassell is not a Peyton Manning type. We really haven't an opportunity to get that kind of QB. I know your going to talk about RG3 but we wouldn't have had a shot at him even if Pioli would've been ok with giving up the ransom. You think the Rams would've taken a ransom involving the 11th pick when they could take a ransom involving the 6th pick? Isn't no way we had a chance!
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:28 pm

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Isnt he basically the same type WR as Bowe? If so it shouldnt be hard for them to figure it out. Its another Bowe on the other side of the field. I still wonder if its the same attitude he had in college and KC is just keeping it quiet. Obviously I dont know that I just wonder. If he has that much talent it has to be upstairs IMO.

Something is going on there. Might just be that they are choosing to bring him along slowly with Breaston in his spot. I don't know.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:49 pm

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Shitty situation? is that a nice way of saying Cassel is actually a major fuck up by Pioli? I've heard Cassel sucks but I want someone on the Pioli bandwagon to actually say Cassel was a major fuck up by Pioli. Can anyone admit it?

I don't really fault him for trying to take a QB with a 2nd round pick that already has NFL experience. If he had passed up a great prospect to trade for Cassell then i would call it a major fuck up! Shannahan traded a 2nd round pick for McNabb and it didn't work out. Is Shannahan a terrible ass coach or evaluator? Sometimes there are circumstances that happen where it just doesn't work out. We could have took Sanchez and then people would be talking about the curse of Todd Blackledge. I didn't care for Sanchez in the draft b/c he had shit for experience. I know Cassell is not a Peyton Manning type. We really haven't an opportunity to get that kind of QB. I know your going to talk about RG3 but we wouldn't have had a shot at him even if Pioli would've been ok with giving up the ransom. You think the Rams would've taken a ransom involving the 11th pick when they could take a ransom involving the 6th pick? Isn't no way we had a chance!

Mcnabb is border line HOFer. Cassel had one year where he couldnt put up half the stats Brady put up the previous year with the exact same team. I agree Sanchez wasnt a good choice either. They did have a chance to land Mallet who many considered 1st round talent with character concerns. dont remember exactly where Mallet was taken but I think it was 3rd. wilson this year was another opportunity but I agree he went earlier than anyone expected so I dont fault them for that. I would imagine he was on their radar.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:56 pm

Cassel is just to hesitant to throw Baldwin the ball would be my guess. As ive said before, Baldwin is more of a deep guy. Cassel doesnt like throwing the deep ball. Still, im sure Cassel can be making Baldwin passes he can catch just because of his athletic ability, but Cassel is afraid to take risks.

In training camp they made it sound like they were going to be the big duo this season. Training camp doesnt matter though. Games matter. They hyped the catches Baldwin was making during camp. We saw some of the catches he pulled off during last season. I just have the feeling its Cassel not feeling comfortable to throw to Baldwin.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:23 pm

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Shitty situation? is that a nice way of saying Cassel is actually a major fuck up by Pioli? I've heard Cassel sucks but I want someone on the Pioli bandwagon to actually say Cassel was a major fuck up by Pioli. Can anyone admit it?

I don't really fault him for trying to take a QB with a 2nd round pick that already has NFL experience. If he had passed up a great prospect to trade for Cassell then i would call it a major fuck up! Shannahan traded a 2nd round pick for McNabb and it didn't work out. Is Shannahan a terrible ass coach or evaluator? Sometimes there are circumstances that happen where it just doesn't work out. We could have took Sanchez and then people would be talking about the curse of Todd Blackledge. I didn't care for Sanchez in the draft b/c he had shit for experience. I know Cassell is not a Peyton Manning type. We really haven't an opportunity to get that kind of QB. I know your going to talk about RG3 but we wouldn't have had a shot at him even if Pioli would've been ok with giving up the ransom. You think the Rams would've taken a ransom involving the 11th pick when they could take a ransom involving the 6th pick? Isn't no way we had a chance!

Mcnabb is border line HOFer. Cassel had one year where he couldnt put up half the stats Brady put up the previous year with the exact same team. I agree Sanchez wasnt a good choice either. They did have a chance to land Mallet who many considered 1st round talent with character concerns. dont remember exactly where Mallet was taken but I think it was 3rd. wilson this year was another opportunity but I agree he went earlier than anyone expected so I dont fault them for that. I would imagine he was on their radar.

McNabb is one of those guys that I have never been able to stand. Something about Philly, I dont know. I would have loved to have taken Wilson this year! I was thinking the 4th round then but looking back it's easy to make that pick in the 3rd round.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:27 pm

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Cassel is just to hesitant to throw Baldwin the ball would be my guess. As ive said before, Baldwin is more of a deep guy. Cassel doesnt like throwing the deep ball. Still, im sure Cassel can be making Baldwin passes he can catch just because of his athletic ability, but Cassel is afraid to take risks.

In training camp they made it sound like they were going to be the big duo this season. Training camp doesnt matter though. Games matter. They hyped the catches Baldwin was making during camp. We saw some of the catches he pulled off during last season. I just have the feeling its Cassel not feeling comfortable to throw to Baldwin.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:03 pm

Baldwin is more of a Vincent Jackson/Brandon Marshall... Bowe is more of a Terrell Owens. I think they are just giving Breaston the nod since hes a veteran and also makes more. One of those types of situations where Baldwin is still an unknown even though the talent is there... but when he really gets his chance he probably isn't coming out of the lineup.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:12 am

IMO its kind of hard to take Breaston out of the lineup. That guy plays his ass off. You can throw him a screen on first down and he will fight his way to six yards just about every time. I love the way Breaston plays. If he catches a short pass he will work his ass off to get as many yards as he possibly can every time he touches it. Also, I think Baldwin still needs to learn how to get open better to suceed in this offense. Like Zorn said, Cassel doesn't throw recievers open (which I did see some improvement in, on that TD to Boss is just an example.) But he throws to open recievers.

If you want to see the way a QB should play, watch Carson Palmer. He is one of the best QBs in the game at throwing where the reciever will be and anticipating his route. Thats the kind of QB we need to have.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:18 am

Poor Palmer has been under pressure the whole 2nd half. SD didnt get the Pioli memo that pressuring the QB is not allowed anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:37 am

Hasn't Tamba Hali led the league in QB pressures the last few years? Maybe Pioli should get his own memo.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:06 am

Yeah theres nothing wrong with Breaston. He's always been a reliable target both here and in Arizona. I just think he's playing because the type of player he is fits Cassels few strengths, opposed to Baldwin.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:15 pm

While the final score says otherwise, the Kansas City Chiefs didn’t make life easy for the Atlanta Falcons in this one. At the half this was a nip-and-tuck game with both offenses clearly on top of the opposing defenses. At that point the two teams had combined for 37 points, 454 yards and both quarterbacks had shown excellent command of their offense. Costly turnovers in the second half set the Chiefs back however, and allowed the Falcons to set up what proved to be an unassailable lead by the end of the third quarter.

Despite the score line, there were reasons to be cheerful and fearful for both teams as the season begins, with one performance in particular exciting Atlanta fans more than the rest. The Chiefs had their own players who stood out, so with that in mind let’s take a look at the key performances from both sides in this Week 1 matchup.

Kansas City – Three Performances of Note

Improvement from Cassel

It’s easy to look at the stat sheet and put the blame of this loss at the feet of Cassel, however a closer look at his play on Sunday shows that it’s not time to start the Brady Quinn calls yet. His second interception of the game came from a poor throw and an even worse decision, but the first came from a tipped pass and he had a very good first half. He completed 21-of-31 aimed passes throughout the game, while being the victim of three dropped passes. The horrific interception notwithstanding, he limited his mistakes for much of the game and his greatest weakness to work on moving forward is ball location, his decision making this week was solid for the most part. He was inefficient in the second half and he wasn’t at the standard of an elite quarterback, however it’s worth pointing out that it was his highest graded game since Week 16 of the 2010 season and, after a horrible 2011, at least showed enough to give Chiefs fans optimism this year.

Dexter’s Lab

It may just be one game, but we got to see signs on Sunday that Dexter McCluster could be an exciting weapon for Kansas City this season. Looking dangerous out of the slot, he pulled in six of nine passes thrown to him for 82 yards. His best play of the game came on 2nd-and-9 with 12:35 left in the third quarter. Working against Robinson in the slot, he made the reception in front of the cornerback 14-yards downfield before spinning free from him and using great balance to gain a further seven yards. Ever since he entered the league fans, both Chiefs’ and neutral alike, have been excited about the potential McCluster has as an “X-Factor” in the Kansas City offense. To this point in his career that potential has only been realized sporadically, but this game saw the Chiefs make better use of McCluster than they have in the past and he responded with one of his best career games. It may only be Week 1, but Kansas City fans will be eager to see this form continued to complement the threat of Dwayne Bowe on the outside.

Missing Flowers

It went without saying before the game that the Chiefs were going to miss PFF’s fifth-highest graded corner in 2011, Brandon Flowers, as he sat out through injury. It was further highlighted however, with a poor outing for the Kansas City cornerbacks. While Stanford Routt (+1.1) did make a nice play pressing Jones to the sideline to prevent any chance of a completion with 10:58 left in the first quarter, to go along with a forced fumble later in the same period, he still gave up a reception on the other three passes thrown into his coverage. Opposite him, Jacques Reeves (-2.4) couldn’t handle Atlanta’s top two receivers, giving up a catch on all five passes thrown to Roddy White (+2.3) and Jones, including a touchdown to the latter with 8:56 left in the first quarter. Kansas City fans will be desperate to see Flowers return to the field quickly. It should come as no surprise that the Chiefs have no-one else of Flowers’ level on the roster, but the drop off without him was alarming this week with the Chiefs’ corners never looking like getting close to the Falcons’ top two receivers.

Game Notes

- The Chiefs rotated their backfield a lot with Peyton Hillis, Jamaal Charles and Shaun Draughn all seeing at least 19 offensive snaps.

- Derrick Johnson gave up a perfect quarterback rating to throws in his coverage, allowing five receptions for 80 yards and a touchdown on six attempts.

- Matt Ryan completed 75% of his passes and threw for two touchdowns when blitzed.

Game Ball

With two touchdowns to highlight an incredible performance, Julio Jones set the standard for what could be a spectacular season.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs and Falcons!   Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:26 pm

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While the final score says otherwise, the Kansas City Chiefs didn’t make life easy for the Atlanta Falcons in this one. .
But what you fail to realize is at half time one team went in and made adjustments while the other did nothing. The Chiefs were basically shut out in the 2nd half with the exception of 7 meaningless points in the final seconds of the game, while the Falcons matched their point total from the first half. The problem is that defensively Romeo made no adjustments to try and stop what Atlanta was doing offensively and Daboll was unable to get creative once the Falcons D stopped what was working for us in the first half.
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