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PostSubject: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:50 pm

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By Bill Williamson

The Peyton Manning saga will surely be the story of the NFL offseason. The question in the AFC West is, will the Kansas City Chiefs be the story along with the legendary Indianapolis Colts quarterback?

As of now, we have to think it is a real possibility that the Chiefs will heavily pursue Manning -- who may be cut by the Colts as soon as next week -- if he becomes a free agent. Manning, who will turn 36 on March 24, missed all of last season with a neck injury and there is no certain date when he will be 100 percent, although there have been reports he will be ready to play in 2012.

If the Chiefs end up signing Manning, it won’t be the first time the organization brought in a living legend at the end of his career after he suffered a serious injury. The Chiefs traded for San Francisco’s Joe Montana in 1993.

The Chiefs have been connected to Manning in recent weeks. A Kansas City radio station has even reported that the team has had multiple conversations with Manning’s agent about finances and that the Chiefs feel comfortable about what Manning may want. That would constitute tampering and it is highly unlikely any team would talk finances with Manning before giving him a physical and knowing more about his recovery timetable. Still, the Chiefs have a load of salary-cap room and they can easily construct a deal for Manning in addition to making other improvements.

Of course, Kansas City coach Romeo Crennel did nothing to take the scent off a potential Chiefs-Manning pairing when he said this at the NFL combine last Saturday: “With a talent like that, I would be crazy not to consider it if he’s available. I’ll leave it at that.”

The Chiefs are not necessarily looking for a new starting quarterback. At the combine, Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli wouldn’t say the job is open. He said the starter is Matt Cassel. However, there will be competition at every position. The translation is the Chiefs expect Cassel to be the starter, but if a better option comes along, they will consider it. There’s no doubt a healthy Manning would be a better option.

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Kansas City's Matt CasselDak Dillon/US PRESSWIREMatt Cassel may find himself backing up Peyton Manning next season if the Chiefs make a move.
If the Chiefs do want to go deep into the Manning sweepstakes, they will have competition, likely beginning with Miami and Washington. There will surely be other teams that show interest in the player who many consider one of the greatest NFL players of all time.

In addition to their interest and financial means, here’s another reason the Chiefs could be favorites to land Manning: They may be the best team interested in him. That would surely appeal to Manning when he is making his choice. I’m not sure many of the interested teams can offer Manning a better supporting cast.

The Chiefs have a strong running game and Manning would have plenty of receiving options. No. 1 receiver Dwayne Bowe is expected to be franchised, 2011 first-round pick Jonathan Baldwin is a potential game-changing deep threat and Steve Breaston is a solid possession receiver. Tight end Tony Moeaki is expected to be healthy after missing the 2011 season with a knee injury. He was terrific as a rookie in 2010.

In addition to appealing offensive weapons, the Chiefs have the makings of a strong defense. A healthy Manning would immensely help any team. But Manning could be a difference-maker in Kansas City. Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. said adding Manning would make the Chiefs -- who finished 7-9 in 2011 despite major injury issues -- “the clear favorite to win the AFC West” in 2012.

Putting Manning in the Heartland would make many teams in the AFC nervous.

I would think Manning would also be fine with working with Crennel and Pioli. He is close with New England quarterback Tom Brady and Brady won Super Bowls with both men. I’m sure Brady would give Manning glowing reports on both of his potential bosses. And don’t think Manning would have trouble working with a defensive-minded coach like Crennel. Remember, the man Manning won his Super Bowl ring with, Tony Dungy, was a defensive-minded coach.

Cassel is also a factor in this scenario. Because Manning will be signed before there are any guarantees he’ll be ready to play, any team that signs him must have a good fallback plan. There are fewer better fallbacks than Cassel.

If Manning is signed and he has a setback, the Chiefs can rely on Cassel, who shined as Brady’s injury replacement in 2008. While Cassel wouldn’t be thrilled with the idea of backing up Manning, I’m sure he’d understand the Chiefs taking advantage of a rare opportunity to pick up a future Hall of Fame player.

There are a lot of reasons this pairing makes sense. If it happens, the Chiefs will be at the center of the NFL universe.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:39 am

The fact that we have the 5th most cap space in the league, plus the fact we are stacked with talent from top to bottom on this roster and he still refused to come here for an interview? That speaks volumes as to how shitty he must think our front office is. Anybody with any sense of talent can see the Chiefs are a QB away from a super bowl. Clark spilled the beans saying he was interested in bringing in Manning. Why? He's never done that before. Ill tell you why. To tell the fans what they want to hear. He knows we are dying for a real QB. He knew we wanted Manning. Had he not announced any interest in Manning, a majority of this fanbase blows their heads. Im sure Clark called Peytons people. Did Clark do everything in his power to bring Manning to KC? I really dont think so..

All this being said, Clark and Pioli are still the cheap asses who are willing to let Brandon Carr walk for an older, worse corner who came a couple shinny pennies cheaper. Odds are, if Orton receives an offer from Miami, Washington, or Seattle, he wont be here next year. Pioli and co will continue to shove Cassel down our throats like a kid refusing to take his medicine. Unless we make a move to draft Tannehill, I see Cassel as our QB next season and another mediocre season in store for us.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:00 am

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Soooo.... Manning says thanks but no thanks to K.C. Couldn't have anything to do w/ all the offseason publicity about the negative environment that Hunt and Pioli have created at Arrowhead could it. Face it no one wants to play for an owner who's only concern is making a profit, or a G.M. w/ an over inflated ego. Lets hope that no one else shows interest in Orton... because if ANYONE does, I am willing to bet he will pass on the Chiefs too. Hunt won't have to spend any of that cap $$$ because no legitimate FA's will have any interest in coming to K.C. unless they have no other real options. What a sad franchise the Chiefs have become since Lamar Hunt passed away. If Manning does go to Denver ( which is starting to look like the most likely scenario) the Chiefs will be fighting for 3rd place in the AFC West.

I said from the beginning that Manning to K.C. was never gonna happen. Anyone wanna go double or nothing on Orton or any other QB good enough to beat out Cassel coming to KC?

Hell Yes I will take that bet! Orton has already said he is interested in coming back!
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:04 am

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The fact that we have the 5th most cap space in the league, plus the fact we are stacked with talent from top to bottom on this roster and he still refused to come here for an interview? That speaks volumes as to how shitty he must think our front office is. Anybody with any sense of talent can see the Chiefs are a QB away from a super bowl. Clark spilled the beans saying he was interested in bringing in Manning. Why? He's never done that before. Ill tell you why. To tell the fans what they want to hear. He knows we are dying for a real QB. He knew we wanted Manning. Had he not announced any interest in Manning, a majority of this fanbase blows their heads. Im sure Clark called Peytons people. Did Clark do everything in his power to bring Manning to KC? I really dont think so..

All this being said, Clark and Pioli are still the cheap asses who are willing to let Brandon Carr walk for an older, worse corner who came a couple shinny pennies cheaper. Odds are, if Orton receives an offer from Miami, Washington, or Seattle, he wont be here next year. Pioli and co will continue to shove Cassel down our throats like a kid refusing to take his medicine. Unless we make a move to draft Tannehill, I see Cassel as our QB next season and another mediocre season in store for us.

Actually Manning just wants to play for friends. Hes good friends with Elway and shoots Golf with Whisenhunt. No matter where he goes be with those 2 he has established connections. It's not surprising at the stage of his career that Manning is in.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:17 am

Zona is 17 million over the cap right now! Manning wont be going there.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:19 am

Doug Farrar on Manning in KC

"Just talked to a reliable source in KC - the Chiefs aren't out of it either. Productive meetings between KC and Peyton's people."
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:20 am

I CANT FUCKING TAKE THIS SHIT ANYMORE! JUST FUCKING SIGN ALREADY! DAMN IT PEYTON!
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PostSubject: Holtus personally escorted Manning around!   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:20 am

The "Voice of the Chiefs", Mitch Holthus, joined Kevin Kietzmann on 810 WHB on Wednesday night to discuss the Big 12 basketball tournament in Kansas City -- I wish I could be boozin' it up all day downtown right now -- and, of course, the Peyton Manning sweepstakes.

Holthus had a few interesting things to say about Manning back in January, namely that he expected the Chiefs to at least explore Manning's situation. Now that Manning is a free agent, it's been reported by ESPN that the Chiefs are one of the teams that have reached out to his camp.

"I think the Chiefs are gonna be a player in this," Holthus said. "Now let me start, the genesis of this conversation, this does not cast aspersions on Matt Cassel. I've been a Matt defender and I will be continue to be a Matt defender. People have to understand that Matt Cassel has done good things for this franchise and I think he has a chance to do some more."

OK, but what about Manning?

"If you have to discuss where does the market go on this," Holthus continued, "I think the Chiefs are going to be in play in this matter and I think they'll be somewhat aggressive in checking out this situation. It's not to put butts in the seats. It's not to sell suites. If they do it, it will be to put themselves in a better position to win football games, which essentially puts butts in the seats and sells suites. But it's about winning football games. It's not about a dog and pony show."
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Holthus also shared his personal experience with Manning.

"I spent a day with Peyton Manning in Kansas City," Holthus told Kietzmann. "He's got his own empire with different sponsors but he came in and Sprint had me basically host him for a day. It was one of the best days I've had in my professional life.

"One, the guy is fabulous. He has a great personality. It's kind of what you see is what you get. But he likes Kansas City. He likes Kansas City a lot. I think one of the pluses about Kansas City is the fact that, if you think about a market that most assimilates Indianapolis and what he's been able to play in the last several years and the framework of how the organization is structured, and the market that he's in...he can handle being in a market like New York like his brother is but I get the sense from him that he doesn't want every breath analyzed.

"He appreciates the fans here. He's talked about it with me. He appreciates Kansas City and the passion for the franchise so it would be the closest thing to Indianapolis he can find. That would be a positive for him. I think he can also appreciate the sense that there's a young team being built around him with a defense that could be very, very good and with the right pieces put together on offense and they could be very, very good."

Holthus stressed that his Manning talk wasn't to knock Cassel, which is understandable. Free agency is a hard thing to talk about from a team perspective because any time you talk about a free agent it necessarily means you're advocating for someone else to be replaced.

But Kietzmann brought up a good point about Cassel -- he's still important in all of this. You probably don't sign Manning, health issues and all, without a solid backup option, which would be Cassel.

It's getting interesting with this Manning talk, folks. That someone from the organization is openly talking about what his addition could do is very interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:26 am

So Holtus personally escorts Manning around and Peyton says he loves the Fans. Manning says KC would be closest thing to Indy around. Tom Condon who is Manning's agent has a office in KC so Manning has probably been through these facility's a ton and don't need a visit. Condon also brokered the Joe Montana trade to KC. I gotta love this shit peeps!


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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:28 am

Brandon Carr tweets out "Expect the unexpected." Either KC has offered Carr a contract and hes seriously considering it or he's talking about Manning. Hell, he might be talking about both!
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:32 am

Manning going to Denver would be interesting. They were a better team when Tebow took over and completely changed the style of how they played. But when they were running an offense with Kyle Orton who can through, they were god awful.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:33 am

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Brandon Carr tweets out "Expect the unexpected." Either KC has offered Carr a contract and hes seriously considering it or he's talking about Manning. Hell, he might be talking about both!

Or its nothing to do with football, but either or both of those two options would be great.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:46 am

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Brandon Carr tweets out "Expect the unexpected." Either KC has offered Carr a contract and hes seriously considering it or he's talking about Manning. Hell, he might be talking about both!

Or its nothing to do with football, but either or both of those two options would be great.

Being that it's now less than 24 hours to the start of FA, I think a shit storm might be brewing!
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:08 am

LOL Talk about denial!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:46 am

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So, just because Peyton Manning doesn't want to come here, we are doomed..Sure, it was a pipe dream, but at least they offered the guy a contract...

NEWSFLASH..... The Chiefs never offered a contract... it was a rumor. All the Chiefs did was express interest to Mannings reps and to the media. Manning wouln't even talk to them directly. It was more like ... "I will let my people, tell your people, that I have no intentions of coming anywhere near KC.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:30 pm

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So, just because Peyton Manning doesn't want to come here, we are doomed..Sure, it was a pipe dream, but at least they offered the guy a contract...

NEWSFLASH..... The Chiefs never offered a contract... it was a rumor. All the Chiefs did was express interest to Mannings reps and to the media. Manning wouln't even talk to them directly. It was more like ... "I will let my people, tell your people, that I have no intentions of coming anywhere near KC.

Newsflash to you! U know where that report came from? The Denver Post!
Imagine that. The Chiefs and Hawks both are still in this.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:19 pm

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KCJay wrote:
So, just because Peyton Manning doesn't want to come here, we are doomed..Sure, it was a pipe dream, but at least they offered the guy a contract...

NEWSFLASH..... The Chiefs never offered a contract... it was a rumor. All the Chiefs did was express interest to Mannings reps and to the media. Manning wouln't even talk to them directly. It was more like ... "I will let my people, tell your people, that I have no intentions of coming anywhere near KC.

Newsflash to you! U know where that report came from? The Denver Post!
Imagine that. The Chiefs and Hawks both are still in this.

Actually it was reported 3 days ago by Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star that they had done nothing more than express to Mannings reps that they wanted to be "in this thing".

Furthermore this was on ESPN today.............

"According to ESPN’s Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter, the Kansas City Chiefs are likely out of the running for Peyton Manning.

Despite the team’s public announcement that it was interested in Manning, it appears nothing has developed. Where does that leave the Chiefs' quarterback situation heading into 2012?

Right where it was prior to Manning becoming a free agent: It is Matt Cassel’s job until further notice.

Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli said at the combine that the starting quarterback job wasn’t necessarily open. It is Cassel’s job, but there will be competition."

QBs mentioned to possibly "compete"...Orton , Cambell, Henne,and Quinn. W/ other teams still likely to be looking at QB's this offseason the best of this group... Orton will probably go somewhere else. The Chiefs should have gotton him locked up before he hit the open market. Once again... the Chiefs starting QB in 2012 .... Matt Cassel. Like I have said from day one.


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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:27 pm

With time ticking away, Manning is narrowing his options
By Doug Farrar | Shutdown Corner – 3 hours ago

As Peyton Manning continues his free agency tour, a few teams have been bounced out of the tournament, whether of their own volition or not. Manning apparently had a very positive and productive visit with the Denver Broncos, according to Mike Klis of the Denver Post, and then, he wound his way down to Arizona, where he met with Cardinals officials, head coach Ken Whisenhunt, and receiver Larry Fitzgerald.

Manning is now out of Arizona, having returned to his Florida home. There's no indication whether he will meet with the Miami Dolphins, who are rumored to be ready to put on the full-court press, but Klis says in a very interesting report that Manning intends to make his decision by Tuesday -- that's the starting day of the new league year and the point where teams can officially negotiate with non-released free agents.

Klis wrote that Manning didn't bring agent Tom Condon along on either visit, and that neither the Broncos not the Cardinals have made official offers. Manning apparently chose to make these visits more informal so that he could get a better sense of what each team was really like without the potentially adversarial aspect of money talk mucking things up. Manning was apparently very impressed with the Broncos organization after speaking with everyone in the front office, and the Cardinals countered Denver's more informal approach with more of a "red-carpet treatment."

What Klis reported, after speaking to someone, is that the Seattle Seahawks and Kansas City Chiefs are out of the running. Both teams contacted Manning and requested that he come to their facilities, but were rebuffed -- at least according to Klis. However, Eric Williams of the Tacoma News-Tribune reported on Sunday night that the door is still open for the Seahawks, and that Manning did not specifically refuse to visit the team's facilities. And an NFL source told Shutdown Corner on Sunday night that the Chiefs are still in the hunt as well.

As Marvin Gaye once sang, "Believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see."

Anyway ... Klis also reports that the much-ballyhooed "surprise teams" in the run for Manning might be two: The Tennessee Titans and San Francisco 49ers. Titans owner Bud Adams recently went public with his preference that Manning come back to Tennessee (where he went to college), and there appears to be a school of thought that if the 49ers can't come to terms with free-agent quarterback Alex Smith, they might post a late bid of interest.

This is all speculation at this point, but one thing's for sure -- the Manning derby is about to get even more interesting and intense. Stay tuned!

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:30 pm

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So, just because Peyton Manning doesn't want to come here, we are doomed..Sure, it was a pipe dream, but at least they offered the guy a contract...

NEWSFLASH..... The Chiefs never offered a contract... it was a rumor. All the Chiefs did was express interest to Mannings reps and to the media. Manning wouln't even talk to them directly. It was more like ... "I will let my people, tell your people, that I have no intentions of coming anywhere near KC.

Newsflash to you! U know where that report came from? The Denver Post!
Imagine that. The Chiefs and Hawks both are still in this.

Actually it was reported 3 days ago by Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star that the had done nothing but express to Mannings reps that thatwanted to be "in this thing".

Furthermore this was on ESPN today.............

According to ESPN’s Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter, the Kansas City Chiefs are likely out of the running for Peyton Manning.

Despite the team’s public announcement that it was interested in Manning, it appears nothing has developed. Where does that leave the Chiefs' quarterback situation heading into 2012?

Right where it was prior to Manning becoming a free agent: It is Matt Cassel’s job until further notice.

Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli said at the combine that the starting quarterback job wasn’t necessarily open. It is Cassel’s job, but there will be competition.


I'm not saying that they did offer him a contract. I was talking about the Idiot that reported that the Chiefs and Hawks were out b/c Manning declined them. That's not true at all and it was reported by the Denver Post at the same time they said the Donks have a 95% chance of landing Manning. It's just a case of the Denver Post trying to help out their team. Cassell and Stanzi are the only ones under contract at the current time, what else do u expect Pioli to say at the combine? He's not going to say we are out to replace Cassell without first agreeing on a contract. You just don't do that. That kind of shit is what pissed off Jay Cutler.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:41 pm

Titans Preparing For Peyton Manning Visit, According To Report

Mar 12 2:24p by Joel Thorman

Over the weekend, Tennessee Titans owner Bud Adams said publicly that he wanted the team to pursue free agent Peyton Manning. Adams saying it was one thing but that actually happening was another. Despite Adams' public plea, most of the talk over the weekend centered around the Denver Broncos and Arizona Cardinals, who both received a visit from Manning.

But now, according to NFL Network's Michael Lombardi, Tennessee officials are preparing for a visit from Manning in the next day or two. This runs contradictory to earlier reports that Manning wasn't going to make any more visits. It's unclear if the Titans are hoping Manning visits, or if this is something that's already been scheduled.

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The Titans make some sense for Manning (as do most teams). They're in the AFC South, same as the Colts. Add in the fact that Manning went to college at the University of Tennessee, and there are some connections that make the Titans an intriguing possibility.

But they also have Matt Hasselbeck on the roster and spent a first-round pick on Jake Locker last April. Still, as Adams said over the weekend, when one of the greatest quarterbacks ever is available, you need to consider making a run at him, despite what you currently have on the roster.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:22 pm

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Peyton Manning will meet w Dolphins coach Joe Philbin & Titans coach Mike Munchak during next 3 days, scheduled away from team facilities.

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So much for getting a team before FA, hey guys?

Manning is still in play...
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:37 pm

Yeah Mort said this morning that he doesn't think Manning will sign anywhere this week.

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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:42 pm

Manning would be stupid to not explore all possibilities..It may be his last kick at the can to play for a SB contender..

We are nothing but a couple of pieces away from a SB contender..QB being one...If we can fill the necessary holes that our team requires during FA, Peyton WILL take notice..
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:59 pm

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Yeah Mort said this morning that he doesn't think Manning will sign anywhere this week.

I read the 49ers could make a late charge if Smith doesn't come to terms.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:27 pm

A read today Smith is close to signing. 49ers would be interesting.. They are working out Moss too and I'm sure Regie Wayne would follow suit.

Manning is still lining up visits.. KC isn't completely out yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Chiefs a good fit for Manning   Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:37 pm

Lenny Dawson put a call into Tom Condon to see if the Chiefs are still in contention and if not what were his reasons. Will be interesting to see if Dawson gets a call back.
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