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PostSubject: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:25 am

QUARTERBACK
1. Cam Newton, Auburn (6-5, 248)
2. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri (6-4, 234)
3. Jake Locker, Washington (6-2 ½, 231)
4. Christian Ponder, Florida State (6-2, 229)
5. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas (6-6½, 253)

HALFBACK
1. Mark Ingram , Alabama (5-9, 215)
2. Ryan Williams, Fresno State (5-9, 212)
3. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State (6-0, 230)
4. Mikel Leshoure, Illinois (5-11½, 227)
5. Taiwan Jones, Eastern Washington (5-11½, 194)

FULLBACK
1. Anthony Sherman, Connecticut (5-10, 242)
2. Henry Hynoski, Pitt (6-0, 257)
3. Shaun Chapas, Georgia (6-2, 247)
4. Owen Marecic, Stanford (6-0½, 248)
5. Stanley Mavili, Southern Cal (6-0, 227)

WIDE RECEIVER
1. A.J. Green, Georgia (6-3½, 211)
2. Julio Jones, Alabama (6-2½, 220
3. Jon Baldwin, Pitt (6-4, 228)
4. Torrey Smith, Maryland (6-0½, 204)
5. Titus Young, Boise State (5-11, 174)

TIGHT END
1. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin (6-2½, 243)
2. Luke Stocker, Tennessee (6-4½, 258)
3. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame (6-6, 259
4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas (6-2, 245)
5. Charles Clay, Tulsa (6-2½, 245)

OFFENSIVE TACKLE
1. Tyron Smith, Southern Cal (6-5, 307)
2. Nate Solder, Colorado (6-8, 319)
3. Anthony Castonzo, Boston College (6-7, 311)
4. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin (6-7, 314)
5. Derrick Sherrod, Mississippi State (6-5, 321)

GUARD
1. Danny Watkins, Baylor (6-3, 310)
2. Marcus Cannon, TCU (6-5, 358)
3. William Rackley, Lehigh (6-3, 309)
4. Clint Boling, Georgia (6-4½, 308)
5. John Moffitt, Wisconsin (6-4, 319)

CENTER
1. Mike Pouncey, Florida (6-5, 303)
2. Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State (6-3, 313)
3. Rodney Hudson, Florida State (6-2, 299)
4. Brandon Fusco, Slippery Rock (6-4, 306)
5. Jason Kelce, Cincinnati (6-2½, 280)

DEFENSIVE END
1. Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson (6-3, 280)
2. Robert Quinn, North Carolina (6-4, 265)
3. J.J. Watt, Wisconsin (6-5, 290)
4. Aldon Smith, Missouri (6-4, 263)
5. Cameron Jordan, Cal (6-4, 287)

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
1. Marcell Dareus, Alabama (6-3, 319)
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn (6-3½, 291)
3. Corey Liuget, Illinois (6-2, 298)
4. Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple (6-4, 315)
5. Marvin Austin, North Carolina (6-1½, 309)

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
1. Von Miller, Texas A&M (6-2½, 246)
2. Akeem Ayers, UCLA (6-2½, 254)
3. Martez Wilson, Illinois (6-3½, 250)
4. Bruce Carter, North Carolina (6-1½, 241)
5. K.J. Wright, Mississippi State (6-3, 246)

INSIDE/MIDDLE LINEBACKER
1. Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina (6-1, 241)
2. Akeem Dent, Georgia (6-1, 242)
3. Ross Homan, Ohio State (6-0½, 240)
4. Greg Jones, Michigan State (6-0, 242)
5. Casey Matthews, Oregon (6-0½, 231)

CORNERBACK
1. Patrick Peterson, LSU (6-0, 219)
2. Prince Amukamara, Nebraska (6-0, 206)
3. Jimmy Smith, Colorado (6-2, 211)
4. Aaron Williams, Texas (5-11½, 204)
5. Ras-I Dowling, Virginia (6-1, 198)

SAFETY
1. Rahim Moore, UCLA (5-11½, 202)
2. Jaiquawn Jarrett, Temple (5-11½, 198)
3. Quinton Carter, Oklahoma (6-0½, 208)
4. Tyler Sash, Iowa (6-0, 211)
5. Chris Conte, Cal (6-2, 197)

KICKER
1. Matt Bosher, Miami-F (6-0, 193)
2. Dan Bailey, Oklahoma State (6-0½, 208)
3. Kai Forbath, UCLA (6-1½, 197)
4. Josh Jasper, LSU (5-10, 174)
5. Reid Forrest, Washington State (6-0, 189)

PUNTER
1. Chas Henry, Florida (6-3, 219)
2. Ryan Donahue, Iowa (6-1½, 193)
3. Aaron Bates, Michigan State (6-0, 200)
4. Trevor Hankins, Arizona State (6-3½, 235)
5. Derek Epperson, Baylor (6-3, 238)

DEEP SNAPPER
1. Danny Aiken, Virginia (6-4, 244)
2. Corey Adams, Kansas State (6-4, 250)
3. Andrew Schulze, Iowa (6-4 ½, 260)
4. Jake McQuaide, Ohio State (6-2½, 239)
5. Christian Yount, UCLA (6-0, 243)

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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:35 pm

Seems to be a very weak RB class. Deep at most defensive positions. Glad to see Ponder gets a little love. dude has potential. I know potential doesnt get you much, just look at T. Jackson
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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:54 pm

A man with potential is simply a man who is not as good as he should be
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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:47 pm

FatThucker wrote:
A man with potential is simply a man who is not as good as he should be

Tyson Jackson is an example of that.

But I'd say NE took a 6th round chance on Brady based on the potential they saw in him.
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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:20 am

All guys drafted have potential. Some more than others. Some guys live up to it and some guys dont. The mental part of it is very underrated. They need to be tough mentally and be very caochable to really make it.
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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:33 am

And Spergon Wynn was taken 16 spots ahead of Brady based on the potential the Browns saw in him.
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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:36 am

Some people fulfill their potential. Most don't.
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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:07 am

But Brady became as good as he should be. Not all do. Just because T. Jackson and many others are terrible pieces of shit and didnt reach their potential doesnt mean Ponder wont either.
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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:30 am

Lol you can tell Jackson won't reach his potential after one and a half seasons?

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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:02 pm

eventually you'll have to face it Rust and admit the Chiefs organization did do one thing wrong. I know it's hard but Pioli and Hunt are not perfect.
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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:58 pm

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eventually you'll have to face it Rust and admit the Chiefs organization did do one thing wrong. I know it's hard but Pioli and Hunt are not perfect.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Jackson will surprise the shit out of everyone this year if there is a season and if he is working out on his own. Before the injury he flashed awesome glimpes of improvement in that San Diego game. With the knee injury he didn't get to do any heavy lifting and it hurt him for the rest of the year. Jax will be 25 this year and I see his physical skills maturing which will make him alot better. Hes never going to be a beast pass rusher, he was drafted to occupy and dominate the line physically which I think he will do. Its rare and anyone can do it as a young kid, its takes time for the body to fill out. I found an interesting article about his 2010 season.


"We continue our Chiefs Roster Evaluation series by taking a look at the play of former first round pick Tyson Jackson.

2010 was a strange season for Jackson. He started off the year as the starter after a disastrous rookie season. I was at the Monday Night Football game vs. the Chargers and I was paying particular attention to Jackson before he left the game with an injury. Truthfully, I liked what I saw. Jackson was playing the run much better, coming off his man and making tackles at the line. According to Pro Football Foucs, he also had 3 stops (tackles that constitute an offensive failure) in Week One. It looked like Jackson was going to show improvement in his second season, however, his injury turned out to be serious and he did not return until Week 7.

By the time Jackson returned from injury, the Chiefs had realized that Shaun Smith and Wallace Gilberrry were getting the job done in the run stop/pass rush department. Todd Haley did the right thing and limited Jackson’s snaps upon his return. Effectively, Jackson became a part time player. He usually got somewhere around 25-35 snaps a game, usually on running downs. This was a smart move by the Chiefs because they were able to give Jackson, whom they have have a lot of money invested in, experience without compromising the team’s chances.

So how did Jackson do with his limited snaps? We’ll break it down, after the jump.


Jackson did get better in his second season. To appreciate how much better Jackson got, we need to understand just how BAD he was in 2009.

In 2009, Jackson turned in the worst 3-4 DE performance Pro Football Focus had ever seen, grading at a horrendous -40.8. In 2010, albeit with about half the snaps he had in 2009, Jackson finished with an almost respectable -1.7.

The fact that Jackson showed so much improvement shows that there was obviously a huge learning curve for him entering the NFL. This is why many experts considered Jackson to be such a reach at the #3 overall pick. It wasn’t that he didn’t have the tools to be a good player but you want the #3 overall pick to come in and make an immediate impact. It took Jackson two whole seasons to go from terrible to slightly below average. That isn’t a guy you want to take with the 3rd overall pick.

Let’s take a look at the numbers from PFF. These numbers include the playoff game (in which Jackson played poorly). Thus TJ’s overall grade will be lower than the -1.7 I mentioned above, which was just for the regular season.

The Numbers:

Snaps: 338

Sacks: 2

QB Hits: 0

QB Pressures: 3

Tackles: 22

Missed Tackles: 0

Stops: 15

Grades:

Run Defense: -1.4

Pass Rush: -3.4

Overall: -3.4

The Verdict:

Right now, Jackson is ascending backup. He most certainly improved in 2010 but he still wasn’t all that great. His play would be fine if he was a backup making a couple million dollars a year but as we know he is making much more than that.

The Chiefs have a lot of money invested in Jackson and they are stuck with his contract. They handled him the right way in 2010 by limiting his snaps but still giving him enough action to continue his development. Moving forward, however, it looks as though Jackson is going to have to earn his way on the field. As the Chiefs are improving, they are getting to the point that they don’t need to just throw a high draft pick rookie on the field if he isn’t the best player. Good teams with depth don’t have to start a bunch of inexperienced rookies. The Chiefs are moving toward an era where they can bring their rookies along at the proper pace and that is a good thing.

Is Jackson a bust? Based on where he was picked and how he has played, yes he is. Right now Jackson is a bust but that doesn’t mean he has to remain a bust. Like Glenn Dorsey before him, if Jackson keeps working he can improve and possibly can be KC’s starting DE. Like Dorsey it might take him longer than we all might have hoped but it will be better for the Chiefs if he arrives late instead of not at all.

2011 will be critical for Jackson. If he improves again he will likely remain with the Chiefs but if he levels out or regresses, he could find himself out of work. Right now, however, the Chiefs had better re-sign Shaun Smith.

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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:11 pm

I'm a Mizzou fan, but all this shit about Gabbert is something I cant believe. I thought we would be a 3rd round pick. Some people are comparing his Pro day to that of Matt Ryan and Stafford. If he goes number 1, I'm not going to know what to think.
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PostSubject: Re: Gosselin's Top Five at each Position   Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:19 pm

Agree on Gabbert. He's the biggest benefactor of a weak QB class
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