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PostSubject: Haley's Job on the Line   Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:21 am

Haley Putting His Job On The Line With Offensive Coordinator Move

It seems strange to be saying so after his team’s success this season but if the Kansas City Chiefs perform poorly next season, head coach Todd Haley could find himself on the hot seat or even worse, out of a job.

By now you know the story. Haley came to Kansas City and failed to immediately fire Herm Edwards holdover Chan Gailey to hire his own offensive coordinator. Haley kept Gailey on but then decided to fire him three weeks before the season when things didn’t work out. As a result, the Chiefs’ offense was a mess all season long. Learning a new playbook, on top of having a bare bones personnel set doomed the 2009 Chiefs. Whether the team’s struggles that year had to more do with a lack of quality players and the transition or Haley’s management of the offense is still up for debate. Chances are it was a little of both.

In 2010, the arrival of Charlie Weis, Romeo Crenel, the 2010 draft class and a soft schedule helped the Chiefs drastically reverse their fortunes from a 4-12 team to a 10-6 division champion in just one offseason. Whether the team’s success in 2010 had more to do with the additions of Crennel and Weis or the coaching of Haley combined with an infusion of talent is also still up for debate. This too, was probably a little bit of both.

While it is clear the Chiefs are moving in the right direction the fact of the matter is that Haley continues to be a lightening rod for controversy. In 2009 it was for his firing of Gailey and his untempered behavior on the sidelines. This lead to questions about Haley’s ability to calmly lead and manage his team as well as work with his staff.

In 2010, however, Haley seemed to be a changed man. He rarely lost his cool on the sidelines and the images of the coach screaming and cursing at his players all but disappeared. He also hired on Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel, two veteran coaches with multiple Super Bowl rings. The hiring of Weis and Crennel seemed to indicate that Haley had matured and gained the ability to set his ego aside in order to delegate responsibilities to other coaches.

Then Weis departed after only one season and Haley, instead of hiring another talented play caller, appears ready to call the plays himself after promoting offensive line coach Bill Muir who has served as an offensive coordinator before but has never called plays. The Muir hire is leading many to believe that Haley is taking a step back and not forward in his maturation as a coach.

I think it is important to look at this situation from a broad scope because issues such as this are very rarely black and white. I believe that Haley’s failure to fire Gailey from the off was a big rookie mistake. Haley wanted to install his own offense which is completely understandable but his failure to make a decisive decision upon his arrival set his offense back.

I also believe that his choosing to hire Weis and Crennel and his change in sideline demeanor does represent a step forward. Haley kept his cool on the sideline all season long and while that might seem like a small thing it demonstrated to me that he really is committed to becoming a better coach.

To expect Haley to completely change overnight, however, is silly. It is also somewhat silly to just assume that Weis left because Haley was too difficult to work for. We have no proof that that is the case. There is just as good a chance that Weis left because of Weis and not because of Haley. Weis is known to have an ego of his own and sometimes two strong personalities clash. The problem is that Haley and Weis were not colleges. Haley was Weis’ boss and if Weis did not want to work under his boss, he may had chosen to leave. People quit jobs every day and when they do it doesn’t necessarily mean that the boss was an unbearable tyrant. Sometimes the problem is the employee.

I’m not saying Weis was the problem and I’m not saying Haley was the problem. I’m saying we don’t know.Weis is the only staff member Haley has had that has quit. Mo Carthon hasn’t quit, Steve Hoffman hasn’t quit and Bill Muir hasn’t quit. Chan Gailey didn’t even quit.

Haley’s problem is that not everyone is going to look at it that way. Folks look at the Chiefs and see that Chan Gailey, Todd Haley, Charlie Weis and not Bill Muir/Todd Haley have all been the offensive coordinator of the Chiefs in the last two seasons. To these folks, this situation screams instability and spells possible doom. Those folks may very well be right.

What Haley has done by hiring Muir is painted himself into a corner. If the KC’s offense struggles next year and the team does not meet expectations, Haley could find himself on the coaching hot seat. If the team does poorly enough he could also find himself out of a job.

Since Muir will likely be nothing more than a caretaker of the offense, Haley has shouldered all the responsibility.

The Chiefs face a much more difficult schedule in 2011. They will face both Super Bowl teams as well as a number of playoff teams from this season. Many of these teams have the league’s top defenses. Haley is going to have his hands full. If the Chiefs succeed Haley will be pretty much vindicated of the criticism he is receiving now.

But if the Chiefs fall flat on their face in 2011, there will be no one left to blame but Haley. It is Haley’s offense. Sink or swim.

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2011/02/03/haley-putting-his-job-on-the-line-with-offensive-coordinator-move/

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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:22 am

I think its more common than people realize for the HC to run one side of the ball..

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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:22 am

This is great news. with Cassel at QB and our schedule we have no chance to look good offensively. hopefully he gets fired
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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:30 pm

He won't get fired. He might miss the playoffs, but we will be at least 7-9 if not better.
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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:14 pm

We wont sniff 7-9 with that schedule if Cassel is the QB. He will at least double his int total from this year. And if we let Hali walk we wont win 4. But anyone that knows f-ball witnessed exactly what Cassel does under real pressure... he folds. And Hali was our only legit legit pressure guy.
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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:10 pm

You're crazy if you think they let Hali walk, that our young players won't get better, and that they won't add or draft anyone to improve this team. The Chiefs were in every game they were healthy in besides the Ravens game which we were in durin the firs half and would have stayed in if we had another WR to help keep the defense off the field.
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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:16 pm

Pioli is crazy for letting it go this far not knowing if there will even be a franchise tag in the next CBA. Bottom line is Hali wants to be paid like one of the best at his position, and wont take anything less.
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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:05 pm

Most teams have a lot of guys as free agents right now. Its not crazy, all teams did it planning on the new CBA. Hali seems like he wants to stick around. Happens all the time in negotiations where they get strung out and one side caves at the end. He isn't going anywhere. It would be beyond stupid for him to sign right away for less or for the Chiefs to sign him right away for more. They got a steal on Charles deal, thats why it was signed right away. He could have been a little bitch and held out to become the highest paid RB in the NFL with another team.

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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:08 pm

As for Haley, I think hes going to become a very good coach. Hes still learning, like anyone. Billichick wasn't great his first goaround either, or Dungy, or the list goes on and on. I think it would be stupid to completely restart especially after all the progress we have made under Haley. If he thinks Sirini is the OC of the future then the Muir hire really isn't that bad. I think Haley will be here for a long time... and our first playoff win in forever will come under him, if not Super Bowl.

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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:14 pm

I think Haley will be a good HC some day. I just dont think it will be here. He will be blamed for the chiefs failures next year whether its deserved or not. Jesus couldnt take this team to playoffs next year with our schedule. He's going to have to learn to be a HC and not the OC.
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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:47 am

Its hard saying. Teams can turnover pretty fast. Theres obviously some teams that stay good, but looking at schedule strength to start the season it typically ends up a lot different by the end of the season. And odds are none of the teams we play go undefeated, they will all lose multiple games... and some of them can/will be to us.

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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:53 am

And even though we only play a couple bad teams outside our div we will prob lose 1 or 2 of those. Not to mention we sucked in our own division. We play 10 games outside our division and a minimum of 6 of those will win 10+ next year. We only played 2 good teams this year and lost by double digits to both. We are a lot better than we were under Herm, but too many people think KC has already arrived and that just isnt the case YET.
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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:53 pm

This is a huge offseason for Pioli. He needs to step it up. His reputation is on the line. After a division championship we have to set the bar higher. Pioli will make some moves I believe to really raise the talent level. If he doesnt we will have a tough season next season and we can hope for 7-9.
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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:09 pm

When you say step it up I assume mean through FA? That is my only issue now. I think he did do a great job with the draft last year myself. I personally think it is the best Chiefs draft to date. I think the owners set this huge FA class up a long time ago thinking it would help their cause in the CBA negotiations. So once a deal is in place there will be some good talent still available in FA this year.
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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:17 am

We did sign some key players last year... and trying trading for another big time player... but not every team can have a great offseason every year. We signed some great coaches and had a great draft... most teams are lucky to do one of those.

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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:44 pm

Chiefs09 wrote:
I think Haley will be a good HC some day. I just dont think it will be here. He will be blamed for the chiefs failures next year whether its deserved or not. Jesus couldnt take this team to playoffs next year with our schedule. He's going to have to learn to be a HC and not the OC.

If Jesus can raise people from the dead, he can definitely take us to the playoffs. Unfortunately he's too busy coaching much much more disfunctional team.........the Church. cheers

I'm glad everyone is SO optimistic!

Bottom line........we have to sweep our division and win a minimum of 6 games at home affraid

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PostSubject: Re: Haley's Job on the Line   Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:14 pm

This dicussion about Haley is Retarded!
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